Hello World:
Today, I am going to talk about the Rapture and the Christian church. I am going to kind of blow through a lot of information without all the details, so I can end this series. Just like Harold Camping, I too have had some problems with the Christian church. I do NOT hold any grudges against the church. Basically, the problems I have with the church, and with the body of Christ in general, are problems that God, also has with the church. So, in other words, if God does not like it, neither do I.
I am trying to decide if I should or should not mention some of the problems of the church for post length concerns. I could make a whole other post on the problems of the church. Nevertheless, I am going to speak positive here about some good things concerning the church. I believe in my next major series in a few weeks, I will discuss more about the Christian church. Also, just like Camping, I do not attend or am not a member of any organized church. With that said, I still believe in going to church, being a member of a church, visiting churches, giving to churches and church fellowship.
The church age is still here. Even though God has some problems with the church, GOD STILL DOES work through His church. Every or all churches are NOT corrupt. There are good or decent churches out there. I believe that it is important for people to SPECIFICALLY find a good BIBLE BELIEVING AND TEACHING church.
It is BETTER to be in a church that uses or teaches and preaches from the STANDARD KING JAMES BIBLE. Also, I want to tell people to STAY AWAY FROM INTERFAITH churches or churches that embrace multiple religions or multiple religious views. INTERFAITH or MULTI-RELIGIOUS CHURCHES ARE BAD!!!There is more I want to say, but I need to watch not being to long here.
Let me say, in regards to meeting within the church buildings, God will manifest His presence and literally show up in the church buildings where His people gather together in church meetings; whos' hearts are right, and who will seek His face or who will worship Him in spirit and in truth. Good things happen inside the church buildings. Again, so much more I can say about that.
There is a belief and common talk about God Rapturing or coming for His church. Now, there is a possibility that God can Rapture His church and even individuals during church services. However, I know this as a fact, from various sources that the church as a whole or group is not ready to be Raptured. I usually do not like to use the phrase "God is coming for His church" or to "Rapture His church".
I am not sure that the church, as a whole, will be ready for the Rapture soon. So, I therefore prefer to say God will Rapture His believers or true believers and followers. Although I am a part of the church or body of Christ, I see myself as an individual, with a individual relationship with God, SEPERATE or APART, from any religious group or church body of anything. So, I believe my fate in regards to things such as the Rapture does NOT rest on whether the church or Christian body is ready or not.
I believe in waiting for NOBODY, when it comes to being with God or meeting God. Another thing, a majority of people have not really seen what God can do. I believe that before a group Rapture takes place, that people need to see God in action with His believers. Now, God does not have to show anything, but I believe it is important for people to in addition to talking about it or hearing about it, to actually see the greatness of God manifest among His people. Again, that is speaking in regards to before a GROUP Rapture happens.
I do believe in individual Raptures, as well as the coming group or Rapture. Individual Raptures are Biblical because when Enoch was taken to Heaven, and seperately, when Elijah was taken to Heaven, they were both individual Raptures. Enoch and Elijah waited for no one, no group and nobody of anything.
Another thing, Enoch and Elijah were both notified exactly of the TIME by God, when they each were going to be taken up to Heaven. That can happen to you. A individual person can really please God, like Enoch did, to the point that God may decide to Rapture that individual up to Heaven.
Everybody may not know about it. There may not have been any major prophecy about it. There may not be any media coverage about the person. The person could just disappear, because like Enoch, God took him or her, and he takes them ALIVE and nobody can do anything about it. You only need God's approval and nobody else's. God can Rapture you if He chooses to, and if you believe He can and are open to receive it from Him.
Sunday, July 31, 2011
Sunday, July 24, 2011
May 21, 2011-Fourteenth Portion
Hello World:
Let us look at as an example where Camping mentions between 1988 and 1994, no one got saved. Now incidentally, for all of those Camping followers who may be concerned, I was saved or born-again before 1988. However, let me comfort those of you who did accept Jesus Christ between the years of 1988 and 1994. Yes, YOU TOO are saved or born-again.
Camping's view appears to be, and I use the word appears, that during the Great Tribulation period years, no one can find Jesus or give their lives to Jesus and God. However, quite the contrary, and you will find this in the book of Revelation with the two witnesses, who are witnesses of God, and are witnessing to the lost or unsaved souls of mankind during that time of tribulation.
After the Rapture of God's believers, God's judgement will come down on the earth, upon the wicked, but God will also still allow people the OPPORTUNITY to get saved or to be born-again, and from that we can conclude that some people will turn to Jesus. Elsewise, God would not waste time sending the two witnesses.
Also, in Revelation Chapter 14, there are 3 angels who are visible to everybody, who will be preaching to people about turning to God and warning everybody to avoid the antichrist, and his number, mark and name. Those angels, during the great tribulation period, are witnesses for God. The 3 angels, just like the 2 witnesses, are sent by God, because God is giving people a chance to get saved even then. Also, there will be born-again or saved Christians who were left behind, who did not get Raptured, who will be witnesses.
Those Christians who are left behind, are believers, but were not ready or not worthy to be with God, at that time, in Heaven. They are Believers, but they were not living righteous, disobedient to God and NOT pleasing God. Many people who are in the churches or who are going to church every week, WILL NOT BE RAPTURED. I want to also state that what I am saying there is seperate from what Camping is saying about organized churches. I will come back to that in the next post.
However, there will be churches and church services during the tribulation period. I want to edit in here, that I believe there will be believers who will attempt to have church services during the tribulation period. I say that because there are many believing christians who do not believe in the Rapture, and there are some who believe in a mid-trib and post trib Rapture only.
There are some preachers who preach mid and post tribulation Raptures. I do not see why God would perform a post-trib Rapture. Post means after the fact or after the tribulation period. Why would God Rapture up people to escape after the tribulation period is over? That does not make any sense. What would you be escaping in a post trib Rapture?
By the way, the Battle of Armaggedon is a part of the tribulation period, and is what concludes the tribulation period or Great Tribulation period. It would make more sense for a Pre-trib Rapture or before the tribulation period starts, and at worst a mid-trib Rapture; because those two at least have some logical purpose.
In regards to christians and churches, and people trying to have church in peace during the Great Tribulation period. According to the Bible from the books of Daniel and Revelation, there will be NO peace for christian believers and those trying to have church. It is going to be very hard during that time.
That is why I am saying here and have said before, get saved now! Get right with God now, before something bad happens to you, or before the coming Great Tribulation period, when all hell breaks loose on earth and you are caught in it with no way out. Jesus Christ is the way out now, TODAY, at the time of this posting before it is too late.
The scriptures talk about how the antichrist will deceive the very elect. He will wear out the saints of the Most High. If they are elect or saints, and are being persecuted by the antichrist, they had to be already saved or gotten saved after the Rapture. The antichrist will wreak havoc on the people of God and will hunt down, fight and kill the two witnesses.
The antichrist will do that because the two witnesses and others will be a factor, because people will be getting saved because of them witnessing for God. The antichrist will not like that, because he will exalt himself as god, and want everybody to worship him, as the scriptures say. The antichrist will speak against God and force many to receive his mark and number and name, in order to buy and sell and make a living; and some people will resist him.
The antichrist will seek to kill and kill by beheading those who resist him. Those who resist him and overcome him and his system, because they accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord will be saved in eternity. I talked about this I believe in my 2008 Heaven and Rapture series. They are the late comers, who come to God in the overtime session.
They may have missed the Rapture, they may have missed out on entering the city of Heaven, they also will miss out on the Marriage Supper of the Lamb which takes place in the City of Heaven, and they will miss out on rewards given to the Saints or the believers who were Raptured BEFORE the tribulation period.
Even in missing all of that, the late coming believers, after the Rapture and during the tribulation, will be born-again and be in God's kingdom on earth when Jesus comes back the third time, or as some call it His Second Advent, for His millennial reign. So, that group will get saved, but have to miss out on some Heavenly benefits, and go through a lot of hell on earth, before they can be united with God and the other saints. I will be back with the fifteenth portion of this 2011 Rapture series coming up next week.
Let us look at as an example where Camping mentions between 1988 and 1994, no one got saved. Now incidentally, for all of those Camping followers who may be concerned, I was saved or born-again before 1988. However, let me comfort those of you who did accept Jesus Christ between the years of 1988 and 1994. Yes, YOU TOO are saved or born-again.
Camping's view appears to be, and I use the word appears, that during the Great Tribulation period years, no one can find Jesus or give their lives to Jesus and God. However, quite the contrary, and you will find this in the book of Revelation with the two witnesses, who are witnesses of God, and are witnessing to the lost or unsaved souls of mankind during that time of tribulation.
After the Rapture of God's believers, God's judgement will come down on the earth, upon the wicked, but God will also still allow people the OPPORTUNITY to get saved or to be born-again, and from that we can conclude that some people will turn to Jesus. Elsewise, God would not waste time sending the two witnesses.
Also, in Revelation Chapter 14, there are 3 angels who are visible to everybody, who will be preaching to people about turning to God and warning everybody to avoid the antichrist, and his number, mark and name. Those angels, during the great tribulation period, are witnesses for God. The 3 angels, just like the 2 witnesses, are sent by God, because God is giving people a chance to get saved even then. Also, there will be born-again or saved Christians who were left behind, who did not get Raptured, who will be witnesses.
Those Christians who are left behind, are believers, but were not ready or not worthy to be with God, at that time, in Heaven. They are Believers, but they were not living righteous, disobedient to God and NOT pleasing God. Many people who are in the churches or who are going to church every week, WILL NOT BE RAPTURED. I want to also state that what I am saying there is seperate from what Camping is saying about organized churches. I will come back to that in the next post.
However, there will be churches and church services during the tribulation period. I want to edit in here, that I believe there will be believers who will attempt to have church services during the tribulation period. I say that because there are many believing christians who do not believe in the Rapture, and there are some who believe in a mid-trib and post trib Rapture only.
There are some preachers who preach mid and post tribulation Raptures. I do not see why God would perform a post-trib Rapture. Post means after the fact or after the tribulation period. Why would God Rapture up people to escape after the tribulation period is over? That does not make any sense. What would you be escaping in a post trib Rapture?
By the way, the Battle of Armaggedon is a part of the tribulation period, and is what concludes the tribulation period or Great Tribulation period. It would make more sense for a Pre-trib Rapture or before the tribulation period starts, and at worst a mid-trib Rapture; because those two at least have some logical purpose.
In regards to christians and churches, and people trying to have church in peace during the Great Tribulation period. According to the Bible from the books of Daniel and Revelation, there will be NO peace for christian believers and those trying to have church. It is going to be very hard during that time.
That is why I am saying here and have said before, get saved now! Get right with God now, before something bad happens to you, or before the coming Great Tribulation period, when all hell breaks loose on earth and you are caught in it with no way out. Jesus Christ is the way out now, TODAY, at the time of this posting before it is too late.
The scriptures talk about how the antichrist will deceive the very elect. He will wear out the saints of the Most High. If they are elect or saints, and are being persecuted by the antichrist, they had to be already saved or gotten saved after the Rapture. The antichrist will wreak havoc on the people of God and will hunt down, fight and kill the two witnesses.
The antichrist will do that because the two witnesses and others will be a factor, because people will be getting saved because of them witnessing for God. The antichrist will not like that, because he will exalt himself as god, and want everybody to worship him, as the scriptures say. The antichrist will speak against God and force many to receive his mark and number and name, in order to buy and sell and make a living; and some people will resist him.
The antichrist will seek to kill and kill by beheading those who resist him. Those who resist him and overcome him and his system, because they accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord will be saved in eternity. I talked about this I believe in my 2008 Heaven and Rapture series. They are the late comers, who come to God in the overtime session.
They may have missed the Rapture, they may have missed out on entering the city of Heaven, they also will miss out on the Marriage Supper of the Lamb which takes place in the City of Heaven, and they will miss out on rewards given to the Saints or the believers who were Raptured BEFORE the tribulation period.
Even in missing all of that, the late coming believers, after the Rapture and during the tribulation, will be born-again and be in God's kingdom on earth when Jesus comes back the third time, or as some call it His Second Advent, for His millennial reign. So, that group will get saved, but have to miss out on some Heavenly benefits, and go through a lot of hell on earth, before they can be united with God and the other saints. I will be back with the fifteenth portion of this 2011 Rapture series coming up next week.
Sunday, July 17, 2011
May 21, 2011-Thirteenth Portion
Hello World:
I want to edit in something concerning science or being scientific. A few posts back I mentioned how scientific evidence concerning the age of the earth and Genesis 1:1, from the bible agree and do NOT contradict each other. However, I need to emphasize to everybody, especially scientist, that everything that God does and will do CAN NOT be scientifically explained. Another way of saying that, is that some things God does can be scientifically explained, but not everything.
You can not explain or prove EVERYTHING that God does by using some scientific method. Even though things of God and some details about how everything was actually created by God CAN NOT BE EXPLAINED BY GOOD SCIENCE, God and what God does is MORE REAL than everything else that can be explained by science. ALL SCIENCE IS DEPENDENT ON GOD FOR EXISTENCE. In other words, without God, there is NO science.
Sometime after I finish this series, I will have some very important announcements about my blog to make. It will come probably in a few weeks, as I will soon be doing some other brief topics, before transitioning into another already planned series. Those announcements will be titled in and the subject of posts sometime soon after this series is finished.
In the meantime, on many calendars, right now is July. I am still talking about Harold Camping's now failed May 21 prediction, as the topic title suggest. I am still talking about the Rapture, and I have been trying to disect the Camping Rapture doctrine, and correct things on that issue.
I have read where Harold Camping suffered a stroke, I believe back around June if my information is accurate, and his speech was affected. He is said to be recovering. I do not know if that was God way of sending him a message. I do not wish anything bad to happen to him, but God could very possibly be angry by what he was saying with those false prophecies.
I knew someone who suffered a severe stroke some years ago. One side of their body was paralyzed, not mentioning which side. I prayed for the person, and God showed me in a dream that the person, would fully recover and go back to work and do things independently again. I told some people, CHURCH PEOPLE/CHRISTIANS, what God showed me, and those people blew me off, as to not pay me any mind; like I did not hear from God. So, I was very offended by that.
So, anyways, sure enough, the person who had the stroke FULLY RECOVERED JUST LIKE GOD SHOWED ME. Needless to say, afterwards I had to seperate myself from certain people because of lack of respect of me hearing from God. Now, NOT everybody who says they heard from God or that God spoke to them is telling the truth. However, with me it is true, and I have a track record of number of times when God spoke to me or showed me this or that, and this or that was true. I can almost do another seperate post on that.
Last time I was discussing my disagreement with Camping's timelines. Today, I want to go into other pieces of time that he talked about. Paraphrasing, Camping mentioned that the knowledge or knowing the time of the Rapture and the end of the world could not have been known until the year 1988 or after 1988. He sites scriptures from the book of Daniel
Scripture Reference Chapter 12: Verse 4; "But thou O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase."
Verse 9; "And he said, go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end."
Verse 10; "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and one of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."
Although those scriptures from Daniel can refer or can be seen to mean during our time where people travel a lot back and forth, and there has been many technological breakthroughs, especially with the computer, research and information gathering; there is nothing in those scriptures that says anything about the year 1988. The year 1988 is NOT mentioned anywhere in the Bible.
One thing I do want to give Camping credit is mentioned in verse 9 of Daniel Chapter 12, where it clearly says the words are closed up and sealed, TILL THE TIME OF THE END! In other words, God did or had sealed up information at one time, BUT will unseal or open up or reveal that information at some point in the time of the end.
God was telling Daniel, yeah, at some point in the end I will reveal the words or information of when I am going to do things. So, God did not tell Daniel that the words or the information would be sealed up forever, He said again repeating, TILL THE TIME OF THE END. However, again it does NOT say in the year 1988. The year or YEARS when God decides to reveal endtime secrets to chosen people could easily have been in 1989 or 1992, or 1972 or any year or years.
God was dealing with me a lot throughout the early 1990s, and I had my first major experience with God visiting me back in 1993. I was already saved several years before that major experience. I have also had other experiences since that time. I would have to say that although I was born again years before 1988, I did not start having experiences, visitations and revelations of God until after 1990.
1990 to 1993 were big times between me and God. I also had some major experiences with God between the year 2000 and 2010. However, I know that there are other people who had similar experiences and revelations with God before 1988. Therefore, I do not see 1988 as being an exclusive or unique year for God concerning revealing end times.
Camping mentioned that between 1988 and 1994 no one got saved or became born-again. That also is NOT true. His 1994 Rapture prediction also did not happen. He also said that after 1994, all the churches are no longer in right standing with God or they are apostate, and people should not go to church after 1994, but serve God individually, again paraphrasing. Several of those things that Camping said about the church has to be UNTRUE. I will explain why in the fourteenth portion of this Rapture series next time.
I want to edit in something concerning science or being scientific. A few posts back I mentioned how scientific evidence concerning the age of the earth and Genesis 1:1, from the bible agree and do NOT contradict each other. However, I need to emphasize to everybody, especially scientist, that everything that God does and will do CAN NOT be scientifically explained. Another way of saying that, is that some things God does can be scientifically explained, but not everything.
You can not explain or prove EVERYTHING that God does by using some scientific method. Even though things of God and some details about how everything was actually created by God CAN NOT BE EXPLAINED BY GOOD SCIENCE, God and what God does is MORE REAL than everything else that can be explained by science. ALL SCIENCE IS DEPENDENT ON GOD FOR EXISTENCE. In other words, without God, there is NO science.
Sometime after I finish this series, I will have some very important announcements about my blog to make. It will come probably in a few weeks, as I will soon be doing some other brief topics, before transitioning into another already planned series. Those announcements will be titled in and the subject of posts sometime soon after this series is finished.
In the meantime, on many calendars, right now is July. I am still talking about Harold Camping's now failed May 21 prediction, as the topic title suggest. I am still talking about the Rapture, and I have been trying to disect the Camping Rapture doctrine, and correct things on that issue.
I have read where Harold Camping suffered a stroke, I believe back around June if my information is accurate, and his speech was affected. He is said to be recovering. I do not know if that was God way of sending him a message. I do not wish anything bad to happen to him, but God could very possibly be angry by what he was saying with those false prophecies.
I knew someone who suffered a severe stroke some years ago. One side of their body was paralyzed, not mentioning which side. I prayed for the person, and God showed me in a dream that the person, would fully recover and go back to work and do things independently again. I told some people, CHURCH PEOPLE/CHRISTIANS, what God showed me, and those people blew me off, as to not pay me any mind; like I did not hear from God. So, I was very offended by that.
So, anyways, sure enough, the person who had the stroke FULLY RECOVERED JUST LIKE GOD SHOWED ME. Needless to say, afterwards I had to seperate myself from certain people because of lack of respect of me hearing from God. Now, NOT everybody who says they heard from God or that God spoke to them is telling the truth. However, with me it is true, and I have a track record of number of times when God spoke to me or showed me this or that, and this or that was true. I can almost do another seperate post on that.
Last time I was discussing my disagreement with Camping's timelines. Today, I want to go into other pieces of time that he talked about. Paraphrasing, Camping mentioned that the knowledge or knowing the time of the Rapture and the end of the world could not have been known until the year 1988 or after 1988. He sites scriptures from the book of Daniel
Scripture Reference Chapter 12: Verse 4; "But thou O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase."
Verse 9; "And he said, go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end."
Verse 10; "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and one of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."
Although those scriptures from Daniel can refer or can be seen to mean during our time where people travel a lot back and forth, and there has been many technological breakthroughs, especially with the computer, research and information gathering; there is nothing in those scriptures that says anything about the year 1988. The year 1988 is NOT mentioned anywhere in the Bible.
One thing I do want to give Camping credit is mentioned in verse 9 of Daniel Chapter 12, where it clearly says the words are closed up and sealed, TILL THE TIME OF THE END! In other words, God did or had sealed up information at one time, BUT will unseal or open up or reveal that information at some point in the time of the end.
God was telling Daniel, yeah, at some point in the end I will reveal the words or information of when I am going to do things. So, God did not tell Daniel that the words or the information would be sealed up forever, He said again repeating, TILL THE TIME OF THE END. However, again it does NOT say in the year 1988. The year or YEARS when God decides to reveal endtime secrets to chosen people could easily have been in 1989 or 1992, or 1972 or any year or years.
God was dealing with me a lot throughout the early 1990s, and I had my first major experience with God visiting me back in 1993. I was already saved several years before that major experience. I have also had other experiences since that time. I would have to say that although I was born again years before 1988, I did not start having experiences, visitations and revelations of God until after 1990.
1990 to 1993 were big times between me and God. I also had some major experiences with God between the year 2000 and 2010. However, I know that there are other people who had similar experiences and revelations with God before 1988. Therefore, I do not see 1988 as being an exclusive or unique year for God concerning revealing end times.
Camping mentioned that between 1988 and 1994 no one got saved or became born-again. That also is NOT true. His 1994 Rapture prediction also did not happen. He also said that after 1994, all the churches are no longer in right standing with God or they are apostate, and people should not go to church after 1994, but serve God individually, again paraphrasing. Several of those things that Camping said about the church has to be UNTRUE. I will explain why in the fourteenth portion of this Rapture series next time.
Sunday, July 10, 2011
May 21, 2011-Twelfth Portion
Hello World:
Concerning Camping's timeline from the previous post. I was looking at his date of 11,013 B.C. to see how it can fit in the overall timeframe of man's history. According to most Bible's, all of the Old Testament history of mankind is around 4,000 years. Even though my Dake Bible agree with science on a older earth history, it still records, book by book from Genesis to Revelation, and adding to today's time date, a near 6,000 year period for mankind from Adam. Again, that is not the time since creation of the world, but since the creation of man from Adam.
However, I do not see how Camping's timeline fits with the Biblical timeline of mankind. I certainly do not understand how he calculates from Noah's flood to today is 7,000 years. I also want to point out that it is agreed by many in the Christian theological field, that there are only around 400 years time gap between the Old and New testaments.
I want to edit in here, that there is some information that suggest there is more time between the Old and New Testaments, based upon the time between the destruction of the two temples; from the time when King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon destroyed the first temple in Jerusalem back in the book of 2 Kings Chapter 25: Verses 8-17 around 586 or 587 B.C. and when the Romans destroyed the second temple around 70 A.D.
That extra time is believed to be near 160 plus years. There is the possibility this could be the case, however, I have to dispute that extra time. That is because I believe that the Old and New Testaments are NOT seperated based on the destruction of the first and second temples. Rather the testaments are seperated by the time, SPECIFICALLY, when Jesus Christ rose from the dead. At that point a New Testament was established for all mankind, not based on the temples and temple sacrifices under the law.
Now the New Testament was not written down at that point when Jesus was resurrected, but Him doing that actually started the New Testament and New Covenant. There is more I can say about all of that above, and how Jesus Christ relates to that; and I can also say more about the supposed EXTRA, missing 160-plus years, time gap between the Testaments, but will not.
Also, as I mentioned above that the Old Testament spans close to 4,000 years, well the written New Testament period of the Bible spans to only around 96 to 99 years A.D. With the time after that leading up to today.
Therefore different from Camping, to me and others in the field, it looks very much so, that from the time of Noah's flood until right now of this post date would be less than 7,000 years. Looking at all the information I have, which I will admit may not be everything, but looking at what I have on a real stretch of the entire human history we may be at 7,000 years from Adam to today, or at most 7,000 to 8,000 years from before Adam, when Lucifer actually ruled over nations before he rebelled against God. That may or may not include a loss of a thousand years of actual time, or again that thousand years being when Lucifer reigned.
I hope I am not boring people with this analysis. I find that information interesting. I am very interested in how or why did Lucifer rebel and fell. I know for many many years God and Lucifer were close. Something happened or something was going on, and at some point Lucifer had to disagree with God about something. There is more to history than we know or that was recorded.
By the way, after Adam sinned and fell from God's perfect will. Lucifer or Satan, at that time, RETOOK dominion over this renovated earth or this world. Lucifer has since, way back then thousands of years ago, formulated a world system in COOPERATION with mankind that is blatantly and purposely antiGod and antichrist.
Man still has dominion over the other creatures, but mankind is under Lucifer and serves the purposes of Lucifer, commonly known as or also referred as the Devil. The ONLY exception to that situation of mankind serving Lucifer is the few who have received Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord. As I discussed many times before, those who belong to Jesus Christ, ARE FREE FROM Lucifer's rule or the Devil's rule and grip or stranglehold on mankind.
Concerning Camping's timeline from the previous post. I was looking at his date of 11,013 B.C. to see how it can fit in the overall timeframe of man's history. According to most Bible's, all of the Old Testament history of mankind is around 4,000 years. Even though my Dake Bible agree with science on a older earth history, it still records, book by book from Genesis to Revelation, and adding to today's time date, a near 6,000 year period for mankind from Adam. Again, that is not the time since creation of the world, but since the creation of man from Adam.
However, I do not see how Camping's timeline fits with the Biblical timeline of mankind. I certainly do not understand how he calculates from Noah's flood to today is 7,000 years. I also want to point out that it is agreed by many in the Christian theological field, that there are only around 400 years time gap between the Old and New testaments.
I want to edit in here, that there is some information that suggest there is more time between the Old and New Testaments, based upon the time between the destruction of the two temples; from the time when King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon destroyed the first temple in Jerusalem back in the book of 2 Kings Chapter 25: Verses 8-17 around 586 or 587 B.C. and when the Romans destroyed the second temple around 70 A.D.
That extra time is believed to be near 160 plus years. There is the possibility this could be the case, however, I have to dispute that extra time. That is because I believe that the Old and New Testaments are NOT seperated based on the destruction of the first and second temples. Rather the testaments are seperated by the time, SPECIFICALLY, when Jesus Christ rose from the dead. At that point a New Testament was established for all mankind, not based on the temples and temple sacrifices under the law.
Now the New Testament was not written down at that point when Jesus was resurrected, but Him doing that actually started the New Testament and New Covenant. There is more I can say about all of that above, and how Jesus Christ relates to that; and I can also say more about the supposed EXTRA, missing 160-plus years, time gap between the Testaments, but will not.
Also, as I mentioned above that the Old Testament spans close to 4,000 years, well the written New Testament period of the Bible spans to only around 96 to 99 years A.D. With the time after that leading up to today.
Therefore different from Camping, to me and others in the field, it looks very much so, that from the time of Noah's flood until right now of this post date would be less than 7,000 years. Looking at all the information I have, which I will admit may not be everything, but looking at what I have on a real stretch of the entire human history we may be at 7,000 years from Adam to today, or at most 7,000 to 8,000 years from before Adam, when Lucifer actually ruled over nations before he rebelled against God. That may or may not include a loss of a thousand years of actual time, or again that thousand years being when Lucifer reigned.
I hope I am not boring people with this analysis. I find that information interesting. I am very interested in how or why did Lucifer rebel and fell. I know for many many years God and Lucifer were close. Something happened or something was going on, and at some point Lucifer had to disagree with God about something. There is more to history than we know or that was recorded.
By the way, after Adam sinned and fell from God's perfect will. Lucifer or Satan, at that time, RETOOK dominion over this renovated earth or this world. Lucifer has since, way back then thousands of years ago, formulated a world system in COOPERATION with mankind that is blatantly and purposely antiGod and antichrist.
Man still has dominion over the other creatures, but mankind is under Lucifer and serves the purposes of Lucifer, commonly known as or also referred as the Devil. The ONLY exception to that situation of mankind serving Lucifer is the few who have received Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord. As I discussed many times before, those who belong to Jesus Christ, ARE FREE FROM Lucifer's rule or the Devil's rule and grip or stranglehold on mankind.
Sunday, July 03, 2011
May 21, 2011-Eleventh Portion
Hello World:
Continuing on in this Rapture series. I want to say here that I am going to be respectfully criticizing or critique-ing some of Harold Campings doctrinal views. That is, some of his views and not all of them. I am NOT trying to personally attack or go after Camping or his associates. That is not what this is about. Again, I am trying to discuss some of his doctrine or theological views here.
Let me mention that the Bible or Jesus mentioned in the Bible, that all things are possible to them who believe. With God nothing is impossible for His people. For God's people who have believed on and received His Son and who live according to His purpose, it or things are not possible to be impossible. For those who trust in God remember those things.
I have some problems with or disagree with Harold Camping's timeline(s). I am going to show that here. Harold Camping mentioned that God created the world in 11,013 B.C. Basically, that is saying from today, the world or earth is a little over 13,000 years old. That is according to Camping. There is some debate or it is debatable as to the beginning of creation, and how old the world is now. It does not appear that the earth could be only 13,000 years old.
I believe that the world or the earth is much older, way more older, more like around or estimated to be 4.5 billion years old; and there is scientific and archeological evidence that agrees with me. The science involved with the age of the earth is called radiometrics, which measures the rate of radioactive decay or radioactive breakdown in rocks, paraphrasing.
In Genesis Chapter 1: Verse 1, when it says "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth, that in the beginning is a general statement, and could mean almost any beginning timeframe. It has been commonly accepted in the Christian community, that Moses is the author of the book of Genesis. I believe that when God had Moses to write about the early history of man, that God did not tell Moses all the details about creation.
If you read the following verses AFTER Genesis 1:1, you can see that the wording inferences a time gap from the actual beginning of the creation of the heaven and earth. The scriptures reads as if time skips and God is renovating the earth, after the very beginning, from a past not mentioned in Genesis.
Now, most Bibles show a world or earth history of a little over 6,000 years up to today, or up to the time of this post. Many Bible scholars used to believe that there was only 6,000 years of total earth history. I was taught this at one time. That contradicts with Camping's 13,000 years of history, again counting his day 1 from 11,013 B.C.
However I learned years ago, that even though mankind's history, specfically, from Adam, which is important to note as I will explain in a moment, but from Adam may have been a little over 6,000 years, the actual beginning or "In the beginning" of Genesis 1:1 did NOT have to be 6,000 years or 13,000 years, but again, possibly and scientifically is shown to be much longer. There are also skeletal remains or fossils of creatures and humanoid type beings that have been discovered in various parts of the world, that date back beyond 13,000 years ago, and that are millions of years old.
According to my Dake Bible, before Adam was created, Lucifer, whom we know today as Satan or the Devil actually ruled over the earth. Lucifer actually was given this privilege from God, and ruled over nations, thousands of years in the dateless past. That was before Lucifer fell out of God's grace. It appears that Lucifer rebelled against God, and ascended from the earth up to Heaven, and was cast down.
When Lucifer was cast down from Heaven, God destroyed the earth by a flood. It is called LUCIFER'S FLOOD, that took place many many years before Noah's flood. Lucifer's flood was worst than Noah's flood, destroying all vegetation and leaving the earth desolate. This is according to Dake. This is why we see in Genesis Chapter 1, in the verses after 1, the wording indicates a renovation of an already existing earth from a past event. There are scriptures in other parts of the Bible that hints at those events. I will not show those scriptures here.
I have a seperate report of a humanoid species that supposedly existed before Adam. They lived for a 1000 years. The earth's weather patterns were very different from today. The weather at that time was calm. Supposedly, it did not rain or snow. There was no extreme cold or extreme heat to deal with.
According to this seperate report, the people rebelled against God's ways and God destroyed them. That supposedly took place before Adam. I do not know if that seperate report of a pre-Adamic civilization is talking about the same civilization that rebelled and fell with Lucifer or a different civilization. I believe the reports could be talking about the same civilization or nations that were under Lucifer.
Again, I believe the scientific discoveries that show that the earth is much older than 6,000 or 13,000. I believe that the discovery of the existence of dinosaurs, in the past, makes sense. I believe that science or the scientific evidence for the age of the earth and the Bible from Genesis 1:1 actually agree with each other.
I am not quite done discussing Camping's 13,000 years or 11,013 B. C. date. There is something else to that date that might fit in somewhere else. I did not realize that I would need to use this entire post just to discuss Camping's creation date. I was hoping I could have added 3 or 4 other things, here, concerning Camping's doctrine. So, I will return to go further into the rest of the Camping information.
Continuing on in this Rapture series. I want to say here that I am going to be respectfully criticizing or critique-ing some of Harold Campings doctrinal views. That is, some of his views and not all of them. I am NOT trying to personally attack or go after Camping or his associates. That is not what this is about. Again, I am trying to discuss some of his doctrine or theological views here.
Let me mention that the Bible or Jesus mentioned in the Bible, that all things are possible to them who believe. With God nothing is impossible for His people. For God's people who have believed on and received His Son and who live according to His purpose, it or things are not possible to be impossible. For those who trust in God remember those things.
I have some problems with or disagree with Harold Camping's timeline(s). I am going to show that here. Harold Camping mentioned that God created the world in 11,013 B.C. Basically, that is saying from today, the world or earth is a little over 13,000 years old. That is according to Camping. There is some debate or it is debatable as to the beginning of creation, and how old the world is now. It does not appear that the earth could be only 13,000 years old.
I believe that the world or the earth is much older, way more older, more like around or estimated to be 4.5 billion years old; and there is scientific and archeological evidence that agrees with me. The science involved with the age of the earth is called radiometrics, which measures the rate of radioactive decay or radioactive breakdown in rocks, paraphrasing.
In Genesis Chapter 1: Verse 1, when it says "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth, that in the beginning is a general statement, and could mean almost any beginning timeframe. It has been commonly accepted in the Christian community, that Moses is the author of the book of Genesis. I believe that when God had Moses to write about the early history of man, that God did not tell Moses all the details about creation.
If you read the following verses AFTER Genesis 1:1, you can see that the wording inferences a time gap from the actual beginning of the creation of the heaven and earth. The scriptures reads as if time skips and God is renovating the earth, after the very beginning, from a past not mentioned in Genesis.
Now, most Bibles show a world or earth history of a little over 6,000 years up to today, or up to the time of this post. Many Bible scholars used to believe that there was only 6,000 years of total earth history. I was taught this at one time. That contradicts with Camping's 13,000 years of history, again counting his day 1 from 11,013 B.C.
However I learned years ago, that even though mankind's history, specfically, from Adam, which is important to note as I will explain in a moment, but from Adam may have been a little over 6,000 years, the actual beginning or "In the beginning" of Genesis 1:1 did NOT have to be 6,000 years or 13,000 years, but again, possibly and scientifically is shown to be much longer. There are also skeletal remains or fossils of creatures and humanoid type beings that have been discovered in various parts of the world, that date back beyond 13,000 years ago, and that are millions of years old.
According to my Dake Bible, before Adam was created, Lucifer, whom we know today as Satan or the Devil actually ruled over the earth. Lucifer actually was given this privilege from God, and ruled over nations, thousands of years in the dateless past. That was before Lucifer fell out of God's grace. It appears that Lucifer rebelled against God, and ascended from the earth up to Heaven, and was cast down.
When Lucifer was cast down from Heaven, God destroyed the earth by a flood. It is called LUCIFER'S FLOOD, that took place many many years before Noah's flood. Lucifer's flood was worst than Noah's flood, destroying all vegetation and leaving the earth desolate. This is according to Dake. This is why we see in Genesis Chapter 1, in the verses after 1, the wording indicates a renovation of an already existing earth from a past event. There are scriptures in other parts of the Bible that hints at those events. I will not show those scriptures here.
I have a seperate report of a humanoid species that supposedly existed before Adam. They lived for a 1000 years. The earth's weather patterns were very different from today. The weather at that time was calm. Supposedly, it did not rain or snow. There was no extreme cold or extreme heat to deal with.
According to this seperate report, the people rebelled against God's ways and God destroyed them. That supposedly took place before Adam. I do not know if that seperate report of a pre-Adamic civilization is talking about the same civilization that rebelled and fell with Lucifer or a different civilization. I believe the reports could be talking about the same civilization or nations that were under Lucifer.
Again, I believe the scientific discoveries that show that the earth is much older than 6,000 or 13,000. I believe that the discovery of the existence of dinosaurs, in the past, makes sense. I believe that science or the scientific evidence for the age of the earth and the Bible from Genesis 1:1 actually agree with each other.
I am not quite done discussing Camping's 13,000 years or 11,013 B. C. date. There is something else to that date that might fit in somewhere else. I did not realize that I would need to use this entire post just to discuss Camping's creation date. I was hoping I could have added 3 or 4 other things, here, concerning Camping's doctrine. So, I will return to go further into the rest of the Camping information.
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